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republicans don't -- >> andrea: admit it. face calf cliff is not the fiscal cliff. it should be called returning to the clinton era tax rate. isn't that the democrats' dream? return to clinton era tax rates? >> juan: that was 39%. that is not a big deal. not comparable to rates under reagan or going back to clinton. clinton was 39%. >> eric: that is where we are going. what about this. every time boehner an obama get close to a deal, president obama moves the goalpost back. >> kimberly: he is playing hard ball. this is the problem. he is going hmm to you, republicans. i don't care about that. that is nothing. i get that for free. he is the guy changing the play for his side. what about the right? >> juan: the american people. look at the poll, they think president obama is willing to compromise. >> andrea: which is ironic. [ overtalk ] >> juan: who are the obstructionists? it's my ideology, i can't negotiate. even if we go off the cliff, endanger the whole economy. >> greg: here is thing. the idea of adhering to a principle in this world is seen as extremism, trying
republicans don't -- >> andrea: admit it. face calf cliff is not the fiscal cliff. it should be called returning to the clinton era tax rate. isn't that the democrats' dream? return to clinton era tax rates? >> juan: that was 39%. that is not a big deal. not comparable to rates under reagan or going back to clinton. clinton was 39%. >> eric: that is where we are going. what about this. every time boehner an obama get close to a deal, president obama moves the goalpost back....
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he's been laying low but senate minority leader mitch mcdonnell addressing the fiscal cliff. >> now republicans have bent over backwards. we stepped way, way out of our comfort zone, we wanted an agreement. but we had no takers. the phone never rang and now here we are, five days from the new year and we might finally start talking. democrats have had an entire year to put forward a balanced bipartisan proposal and if they had something to fit the bill, i'm sure the majority leader would have been able to deliver the votes the president needed to pass it here in the senate and we wouldn't be in this mess. but here we are, once again, at
he's been laying low but senate minority leader mitch mcdonnell addressing the fiscal cliff. >> now republicans have bent over backwards. we stepped way, way out of our comfort zone, we wanted an agreement. but we had no takers. the phone never rang and now here we are, five days from the new year and we might finally start talking. democrats have had an entire year to put forward a balanced bipartisan proposal and if they had something to fit the bill, i'm sure the majority leader would...
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there will be a deal to, quote, avert the fiscal cliff. your viewers should demand more than a deal, they should demand a solution. >> do you think it's the right idea to cave in if really the republicans do not believe this is the right thing for the best interests of the country, to go ahead and agree to having more expenditures, to not cutting any of these entitlements. this reckless spending has to come to an end at some points. we have the future and the children to think of. >> so much for a balanced approach. the bammed approach as near as i can do do exactly what i want exactly what when i want you to do it. but the reality is the house democrats will could be he -- gt enough involvements my vote will not one of them and the group of conservatives i run with will not be among the votes that vote for the so-called deal. but it will pass and we will be arguably further from a solution than we were this time last year. >> so you think a temporary fix is going to come to pass but ultimately, like you said, you and several of your colle
there will be a deal to, quote, avert the fiscal cliff. your viewers should demand more than a deal, they should demand a solution. >> do you think it's the right idea to cave in if really the republicans do not believe this is the right thing for the best interests of the country, to go ahead and agree to having more expenditures, to not cutting any of these entitlements. this reckless spending has to come to an end at some points. we have the future and the children to think of....
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you say, we, republican are not trying to solve the fiscal cliff. we're trying to solve the debt and deficit. can you explain that? >> sure can. yeah, the white house has been very focused on what do we have to do to just get past the fiscal cliff. let's get over this bump and keep spend and keep going. in the house we're actually trying to solve the debt and deficit. let me illustrate this. we have a trillion dollars in deficit spending last four years. president says let's go back to the clinton levels of taxation. if we went back to the clinton levels of taxation we're still double the highest bush era of deficit spending still because spending was accelerated so much in 2009 and 2010. we're trying to bring the spending levels back down. on the contrary if we just brought the spending levels down to the clinton level spending instead of tax level going up to clinton level of tax it is would solve this. we're trying to solve the debt and deficit. we're trying to say how do we get out of debt. the president is saying let's get past the fiscal cliff
you say, we, republican are not trying to solve the fiscal cliff. we're trying to solve the debt and deficit. can you explain that? >> sure can. yeah, the white house has been very focused on what do we have to do to just get past the fiscal cliff. let's get over this bump and keep spend and keep going. in the house we're actually trying to solve the debt and deficit. let me illustrate this. we have a trillion dollars in deficit spending last four years. president says let's go back to...
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the republican lawmakers are likely hoping that means he is rested and ready make a deal on the fiscal cliff. however, chief white house correspondent ed henry tells us that washington may have to set with a backup plan to the backup plan. >> christmas tradition for president obama. he and first lady michelle obama saying thanks at the marine corps base hawaii. >> so many of you make sacrifices day in and day out on behalf of the freedom and behalf of the security. >> now the president is giving up some vacation time rushing back to washington aboard air force one late tonight to deal with the looming fiscal cliff. after that red eye, the president will no doubt need coffee. starbucks decided to get political in the washington, d.c., shops, by having employees write come together on cups. ceo howard schultz writing in open letter, "my hope is the simple message will serve as holiday reminder from starbuck of the spirit that bridgeed differences and we have the power to come together and make a difference in every season of the year." the president and speaker john boehner have not spok
the republican lawmakers are likely hoping that means he is rested and ready make a deal on the fiscal cliff. however, chief white house correspondent ed henry tells us that washington may have to set with a backup plan to the backup plan. >> christmas tradition for president obama. he and first lady michelle obama saying thanks at the marine corps base hawaii. >> so many of you make sacrifices day in and day out on behalf of the freedom and behalf of the security. >> now the...
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i do begrudge what he's done in this fiscal cliff talks. it's been very clear from the beginning that he had no intention to solve the fiscal issues. he's been using this, and i must say with great skill and ruthless skill and success, to fracture and basically shatter the republican opposition. the only, you know, redoubt of the opposition is the house. and his objective from the very beginning was to break the will of the republicans in the house and to create an internal civil war and he's done that. how did he do it? from also insisting from day one after the election that the republicans had to raise rates. there's no reason at all to get the revenue that he needed and that the speaker was offering him that you had to raise rates. obama himself, as you know, said last july, july, 2011, you can get $1.2 trillion by eliminating loopholes, which is exactly what republicans offered him. so why did he insist on the rates? he said that is what he will insist upon, and that was the ultimatum. he did that because he knew it would create a cris
i do begrudge what he's done in this fiscal cliff talks. it's been very clear from the beginning that he had no intention to solve the fiscal issues. he's been using this, and i must say with great skill and ruthless skill and success, to fracture and basically shatter the republican opposition. the only, you know, redoubt of the opposition is the house. and his objective from the very beginning was to break the will of the republicans in the house and to create an internal civil war and he's...
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the republican lawmakers are likely hoping that means he is rested and ready make a deal on the fiscal cliff. however, chief white house correspondent ed henry tells us that washington may have to set with a backup plan to the backup plan. >> christmas tradition for president obama. he and first lady michelle obama saying thanks at the marine corps base hawaii. >> so many of you make sacrifices day in and day out on behalf of the freedom and behalf of the security. >> now the president is giving up some vacation time rushing back to washington aboard air force one late tonight to deal with the looming fiscal cliff. after that red eye, the president will no doubt need coffee. starbucks decided to get political in the washington, d.c., shops, by having employees write come together on cups. ceo howard schultz writing in open letter, "my hope is the simple message will serve as holiday reminder from starbuck of the spirit that bridgeed differences and we have the power to come together and make a difference in every season of the year." the president and speaker john boehner have not spok
the republican lawmakers are likely hoping that means he is rested and ready make a deal on the fiscal cliff. however, chief white house correspondent ed henry tells us that washington may have to set with a backup plan to the backup plan. >> christmas tradition for president obama. he and first lady michelle obama saying thanks at the marine corps base hawaii. >> so many of you make sacrifices day in and day out on behalf of the freedom and behalf of the security. >> now the...
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gregg: as washington debates the fiscal cliff we are also days away from another financial crisis. the u.s. government is poised to hit its debt limit on monday. what happens if congress doesn't raise the debt sealing? douglas holtz ee eakin is a former director of the nonpartisan budget direction office and is president of american action firearm. thapblgs for being with us. what happens if they don't raise the ceiling? >> ultimately congress has to raise the ceiling. it's simply naive to believe you could ever put the level of spending kick quickly become to the level of revenues and not have to borrow some more. it doesn't have to happen until february or march. ment soak of the treasury has a lot of tools available to push off when you actually hit the debt limit. waoes going the's going to do that and run the usual bag of tricks to avoid the debt ceiling. gregg: timothy geithner can move money around between now and february. we don't really need to panic, do we? >> no, you don't need to panic. essentially the he secretary of the treasury will raid retirement funds them apprai
gregg: as washington debates the fiscal cliff we are also days away from another financial crisis. the u.s. government is poised to hit its debt limit on monday. what happens if congress doesn't raise the debt sealing? douglas holtz ee eakin is a former director of the nonpartisan budget direction office and is president of american action firearm. thapblgs for being with us. what happens if they don't raise the ceiling? >> ultimately congress has to raise the ceiling. it's simply naive...
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and save america from the fiscal cliff. how does the president win this optics war, grover? >> well, it's all politics. he's not put a proposal on the table that makes any sense. when talk about plans a, b, and c, the republicans have passed plan a, the ryan bill, ryan budget and plan. that saves $6 trillion over the next decade. it reforms entitlements. it reforms taxes. doesn't raise them, reforms them without raising taxes on people. so that's a plan that's written down that's passed the house of representatives and has strong support among republicans in the senate. the alternative is nothing. >> we know that's not going to pass the senate and we also know the white house isn't going to sign that. move on. my contention is after -- >> allow me. >> work with me. it's an important question. let's say president obama says we're going off the fiscal cliff. we go off the cliff. tax cuts expire, sequestration, they kick it down the road. if president obama then says i'm going to put in tax cuts for anyone making under $250,000 a year. i'm going to call them obama tax cuts. wil
and save america from the fiscal cliff. how does the president win this optics war, grover? >> well, it's all politics. he's not put a proposal on the table that makes any sense. when talk about plans a, b, and c, the republicans have passed plan a, the ryan bill, ryan budget and plan. that saves $6 trillion over the next decade. it reforms entitlements. it reforms taxes. doesn't raise them, reforms them without raising taxes on people. so that's a plan that's written down that's passed...
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we look like at the fiscal cliff, the house republicans are meeting to chart a way forward. the senate passed legislation with overwhelming support this morning. the fiscal cliff legislation. when it made its way across the capitol to the republican controlled house, g.o.p. lawmakers immediately expressed concern about the lack of spending cuts. with the house majority leader publicly and bluntly stating he does not support the bill and the republicans are still at this time, as you look live behind the doors meeting at this hour, they are planning a vote series at some time. but we don't know when. it may include amending the senate bill and sending it back to the senate. meantime, house democrats are demanding a straight up-or-down vote on what came over from the senate. the late-breaking developments leaving the automatic spending cuts and tax increases tied to the fiscal cliff still in play right now. in a desperate race against a different clock, we have another free-flowing, fluid situation tonight. likely a lot of breaking news from capitol hill. we begin with fox tea
we look like at the fiscal cliff, the house republicans are meeting to chart a way forward. the senate passed legislation with overwhelming support this morning. the fiscal cliff legislation. when it made its way across the capitol to the republican controlled house, g.o.p. lawmakers immediately expressed concern about the lack of spending cuts. with the house majority leader publicly and bluntly stating he does not support the bill and the republicans are still at this time, as you look live...
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what a republican saying about the status of the fiscal cliff negotiations? reporter: they have been pretty quiet so far. we know the speaker of the house and the republican leadership team in the house is due for a conference call with members that are still back in their home districts later this hour. we expect senate republican leader mitch mcconnell to be on the senate floor. the top of the next hour, so we should get some insight from him as well. some of the aides have suggested that eerie read should talk less and legislate more. meanwhile, a house republicans suggested -- well, it's not so good. >> the house is actually extend these tax rates for everybody in the entire country, which is exactly the correct policy as we see it. we send it to the senate, the senate refuses to take it up. the senate can fix this today if they wanted to. >> the bottom line is that republicans are expecting that the white house and/or democrats on the hill will make a final offer of some sort at some point. but timing is not clear. not at this time. greg: mike emanuel li
what a republican saying about the status of the fiscal cliff negotiations? reporter: they have been pretty quiet so far. we know the speaker of the house and the republican leadership team in the house is due for a conference call with members that are still back in their home districts later this hour. we expect senate republican leader mitch mcconnell to be on the senate floor. the top of the next hour, so we should get some insight from him as well. some of the aides have suggested that...
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house republican leaders holding a conference call earlier today on the fiscal cliff, but so far they have not yet called on lawmakers to return to capitol hill. but they have said they will give a 48 hour warning if they plan to do that the white house saying the president is cutting his holiday vacation in hawaii short to return to d.c. to work on a deal to try to stop those automatic tax hikes and deep spending cuts from kicking in on january 1st. and if they don't reach a deal before then, many economists say we will dip back into a recession. i had henly house republican leaders didn't have a lot of new information for their lawmakers. they would have 48 hour notice if they are needed to pray back to washington from various districts around the country. that tells us they are being noncommittal at this point because they frankly do not know whether or not there will be a deal to avert the fiscal cliff. now, after that conference call. the house speaker john boehner, his number two eric cantor the majority leader put out a statement putting the onus on president obama and for the
house republican leaders holding a conference call earlier today on the fiscal cliff, but so far they have not yet called on lawmakers to return to capitol hill. but they have said they will give a 48 hour warning if they plan to do that the white house saying the president is cutting his holiday vacation in hawaii short to return to d.c. to work on a deal to try to stop those automatic tax hikes and deep spending cuts from kicking in on january 1st. and if they don't reach a deal before then,...
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as the nation was heading for the fiscal cliff, here is the senate republican leader's closing argument. >> each of us could spend the rest of the week discussing what a perfect solutioning would have looked like, but the end result would have been the largest tax increase in american history. the president wanted tax increases, but thanks to this imperfect agreement, 99% of my constituents will not be hit by those hikes. >> reporter: and you expect to hear that argument a lot in the coming hours as people try to sell this over in the house. house republicans voted to extend all the bush tax cuts, but harry reid never took that up. and so this is the only vehicle possible to avoid a massive tax hike for the entire country, rick. rick: well, we'll see what happens over the next several hours, and i have a feeling you and i will be talking again throughout the day. happy new year to you, mike. see you again soon. heather: that final deal was hashed out by senate minority leader mitch mcconnell and vice president joe biden. here's the vice president on capitol hill last night just before t
as the nation was heading for the fiscal cliff, here is the senate republican leader's closing argument. >> each of us could spend the rest of the week discussing what a perfect solutioning would have looked like, but the end result would have been the largest tax increase in american history. the president wanted tax increases, but thanks to this imperfect agreement, 99% of my constituents will not be hit by those hikes. >> reporter: and you expect to hear that argument a lot in...
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so can we expect a deal here or is the nation heading over the fiscal cliff? >> we can still avoid going over the fiscal cliff if the president and the democrat-controlled senate step forward this week and work with republicans to solve this problem and solve it now. [ roasting firewood ] ♪ many hot dogs are within you. try pepto-bismol to-go, it's the power of pepto, but it fits in your pocket. now tell the world daniel... of pepto-bismol to-go. >> gregg: time for a quick check of the headlines. police have a suspect in custody in new york city's deadly subway push. the woman apparently made statements implicating herself in thursday's murder of a 46-year-old man. >>> same sex marriages are now legal in the state of maine. the law went into effect at midnight and authorities immediately began issuing licenses and performing weddings. >>> a french court rejecting a 75% millionaire's income tax scheduled to begin in 2013. the tax would have made the rich contribute a whole lot more to cutting public deficit. >> arthel: here at home as senator leaders work beh
so can we expect a deal here or is the nation heading over the fiscal cliff? >> we can still avoid going over the fiscal cliff if the president and the democrat-controlled senate step forward this week and work with republicans to solve this problem and solve it now. [ roasting firewood ] ♪ many hot dogs are within you. try pepto-bismol to-go, it's the power of pepto, but it fits in your pocket. now tell the world daniel... of pepto-bismol to-go. >> gregg: time for a quick check...
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way forward on the fiscal cliff. we got this from another house republican a few moments ago. >> we're going over the cliff because frankly i believe it is what the president wants. if you go back and look how he has handled this negotiation from the very beginning, go back and look what his own administration has been telling him for years. that tax rates need to go up on everybody. this has been the president's position i believe from the very beginning and i think that's where we'll end up. >> reporter: the president suggested a christmas holiday, maybe a cooling-off period, a time for lawmakers to go home and think what they want to do about the fiscal cliff. it sounds like post-christmas everybody is more pessimistic than ever. harris? harris: they have got travel woes too right now. there are people who might want to get back to washington and can't as they wait for certain snowstorms to move along. mike, thank you very much. >> reporter: thank you. jon: you knew the fiscal cliff could hit you hard in the paych
way forward on the fiscal cliff. we got this from another house republican a few moments ago. >> we're going over the cliff because frankly i believe it is what the president wants. if you go back and look how he has handled this negotiation from the very beginning, go back and look what his own administration has been telling him for years. that tax rates need to go up on everybody. this has been the president's position i believe from the very beginning and i think that's where we'll...
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republicans don't -- >> andrea: admit it. face calf cliff is not the fiscal cliff. it should be called returning to the clinton era tax rate. isn't that the democrats' dream? return to clinton era tax rates? >> juan: that was 39%. that is not a big deal. not comparable to rates under reagan or going back to clinton. clinton was 39%. >> eric: that is where we are going. what about this. every time boehner an obama get close to a deal, president obama moves the goalpost back. >> kimberly: he is playing hard ball. this is the problem. he is going hmm to you, republicans. i don't care about that. that is nothing. i get that for free. he is the guy changing the play for his side. what about the right? >> juan: the american people. look at the poll, they think president obama is willing to compromise. >> andrea: which is ironic. [ overtalk ] >> juan: who are the obstructionists? it's my ideology, i can't negotiate. even if we go off the cliff, endanger the whole economy. >> greg: here is thing. the idea of adhering to a principle in this world is seen as extremism, trying
republicans don't -- >> andrea: admit it. face calf cliff is not the fiscal cliff. it should be called returning to the clinton era tax rate. isn't that the democrats' dream? return to clinton era tax rates? >> juan: that was 39%. that is not a big deal. not comparable to rates under reagan or going back to clinton. clinton was 39%. >> eric: that is where we are going. what about this. every time boehner an obama get close to a deal, president obama moves the goalpost back....
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one reason we are in the fiscal cliff is because a deal was made in the summer of 2011. for the sequester and all of that. on the assumption, an assumption that republicans would win and wouldn't be an issue. if you look at the broadest vision of this, this is a race that republicans should have won. but i agree. the primary process, 20 debates that degraded and hurt the brand. not the best set of candidates. did not put shining good light on the party. certainly hurt the brand. that was a race that should have been won and wasn't. a lot of tactical and strategic errors. >> doug: 15 seconds. >> the most important moment of the 2012 race from the republican side came before a vote was cast, before much money was raised. that was the series of potentially good candidates who didn't end up running, whether john thune or jeb bush or mitch daniels or ryan or rubio. group of candidates that might have been able to carry a stronger message without being burdened by what nina is speaking about. >> doug: that is it for the panel. stave tuned to see one awesome, truly awesome grad
one reason we are in the fiscal cliff is because a deal was made in the summer of 2011. for the sequester and all of that. on the assumption, an assumption that republicans would win and wouldn't be an issue. if you look at the broadest vision of this, this is a race that republicans should have won. but i agree. the primary process, 20 debates that degraded and hurt the brand. not the best set of candidates. did not put shining good light on the party. certainly hurt the brand. that was a race...
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cliff, however, republicans are going to have to acquiesce, we will have some tax hikes, i think probably 750,000 and above i think that's the number, but what republicans are holding back the debt ceiling debate and cutti cutti cutting entitlement programs and they're going to use that later in the year. >> kelly: mark, the final word. >> if angela's prediction sort of come through-- and i hope it does, the republicans and senate negotiate, and republicans and congress will be responsible for the largest tax increst on all americans in modern american history and that would be unfortunate and soon talk about obama tax cuts when we talk about the middle class america. >> kelly: and the 113th congress coming into office in january. and angela and mark, thank you for sharing insights on this tough, tough situation for us. thank you. >> thank you, kelly. >> kelly: thank you. >> to a fox news alert. new details on the deadly plane crash out of russia. police now say that four crew members are dead, and four others have been injured after an airliner landing into one of moscow's international
cliff, however, republicans are going to have to acquiesce, we will have some tax hikes, i think probably 750,000 and above i think that's the number, but what republicans are holding back the debt ceiling debate and cutti cutti cutting entitlement programs and they're going to use that later in the year. >> kelly: mark, the final word. >> if angela's prediction sort of come through-- and i hope it does, the republicans and senate negotiate, and republicans and congress will be...
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he said if republicans stop they will be to blame for the fiscal cliff. what role do you have in this don't you have to show leadership to break the imabout passe? the president went back to pointing the finger at republicans. take a list. >> speaker boehner and republican leader mcconnell to accept the fact taxes on wealthiest americans should go up a little bit. if folks can't say yes to good offers i have an obligation of the american people to make sure that the entire burden of deficit reduction doesn't fall on seniors who are relying on medicare. >> now, what the president s correct about s that in the negotiations with speaker boehner in recent weeks the president was giving on social security and med did i kay changes that democrats were not excited about but speaker benito walked away -- but speaker boehner walked away from those negotiations. senator mitch mcconnell said in the last couple of days when got a phone call from the president saying let's try to come back to the table and work this out. mcconnell said that is the first time he heard
he said if republicans stop they will be to blame for the fiscal cliff. what role do you have in this don't you have to show leadership to break the imabout passe? the president went back to pointing the finger at republicans. take a list. >> speaker boehner and republican leader mcconnell to accept the fact taxes on wealthiest americans should go up a little bit. if folks can't say yes to good offers i have an obligation of the american people to make sure that the entire burden of...
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republicans say they would like to see any tax revenue that comes out of a fiscal cliff deal used to pay down our trillion dollars deficits. retiring republican senator from arizona, jon kyl, said the democrats want to spend $600 billion and he believes the new tax revenue will be about the same am. to he says not solving anything. for from senator to an today. >> raising taxes to pay for new spending is not something republicans believe this debate ought to be about. it ought to be about reducing the deficit and debt. they're suggesting we want new taxes, higher taxes on people in this country to pay for new spending. >> republicans continue saying they're waiting for harry reid to make a counter offer. >> they're not making that tonight. he's told us that's not going to happen it but they're working on it. a sounds like a change of entitlement programs is irritating them. >> republicans created way of calculating inflation to lower payments to recipients of social security. the senate majority leader offered this update a short time ago. >>> i was really gratified to hear republica
republicans say they would like to see any tax revenue that comes out of a fiscal cliff deal used to pay down our trillion dollars deficits. retiring republican senator from arizona, jon kyl, said the democrats want to spend $600 billion and he believes the new tax revenue will be about the same am. to he says not solving anything. for from senator to an today. >> raising taxes to pay for new spending is not something republicans believe this debate ought to be about. it ought to be about...
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ben bernanke's guy who coined the phrase fiscal cliff. he says if we fall off of it in seven or eight days, that's going to lead to yet another recession. >> well, and that's why, and that's why the president ask speaker boehner and mitch mcconnell and harry reid need to come back and make sure their membership -- boehner couldn't deliver the other day -- make sure the membership, and by the way, boehner may have to go with democrats plus a minority of republicans to get the job done. gregg: yeah. >> this is about the welfare of this country, not about the welfare of a political party. gregg: all right. brad, the fiscal cliff is one of the reasons why people are so incredibly gloomy about the future, and, you know, dick's making the point here when speaker john boehner can't even get his own party to follow him and put up a vote on his plan, i mean, aren't republicans equally to blame for the public's profound pessimism? >> well, we have a divided nation, that is for sure. this president has not done his job in leading, and had he done hi
ben bernanke's guy who coined the phrase fiscal cliff. he says if we fall off of it in seven or eight days, that's going to lead to yet another recession. >> well, and that's why, and that's why the president ask speaker boehner and mitch mcconnell and harry reid need to come back and make sure their membership -- boehner couldn't deliver the other day -- make sure the membership, and by the way, boehner may have to go with democrats plus a minority of republicans to get the job done....
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we do have this practical problem ten days from now of the fiscal cliff. i said republicans would be well advised to accept the fact that president obama won the election and minimize the damage that will be done by the tax increase that is coming. >> chris: you would go for the stripped down obama plan? >> i would go for what the speaker tried to do late last week and try to get the number up from $250,000. yes, there is going to be a tax increase on the wealthy. i would try to protect investments as much as possible. do the amt patch. have a reasonable deal on estate taxes. i'm a squish on this. got to make the best of a bad situation. i think what will happen incidentally is republicans will be faced on monday, on december 31 with having to vote on a much worse proposal than the one they didn't give speaker boehner the majority for. >> chris: the plan b. >> harry reid will pass through the senate on thursday or friday a tax hike on everyone over $250,000 and republicans will have the joyc choice on m, letting it come to a vote. i think the speaker proba
we do have this practical problem ten days from now of the fiscal cliff. i said republicans would be well advised to accept the fact that president obama won the election and minimize the damage that will be done by the tax increase that is coming. >> chris: you would go for the stripped down obama plan? >> i would go for what the speaker tried to do late last week and try to get the number up from $250,000. yes, there is going to be a tax increase on the wealthy. i would try to...
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some republicans are saying the president isn't trying to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> when i listen to the president i think he's eager to go over for a political purposes. he gets all of this additional tax revenue for programs he gets to cut the military canwhich democrats have been calling for for years. he gets to blame republicans for it. >> independent senator joe leiber than is saying it is appearing more likely the deadline will pass with no action. harris? >> how soon can we expect negotiations to get back underway? >> wednesday at the earliest possibly friday. one of his democratic allies today that position should come as no surprise to any one. >> i know it's hard for the republicans. 2.50 no tax increases for people below but taxes for people above. 60 percent of the voters will be there for the exit polls. >> nothing is done by year's end taxes will go up for everyone. >> steve sen acentanni thank yoy much. >> he has been hospitalized from before thanksgiving with a lingering cough with a bout of bronchitis. he is recovering but must build up strength before he can go hom
some republicans are saying the president isn't trying to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> when i listen to the president i think he's eager to go over for a political purposes. he gets all of this additional tax revenue for programs he gets to cut the military canwhich democrats have been calling for for years. he gets to blame republicans for it. >> independent senator joe leiber than is saying it is appearing more likely the deadline will pass with no action. harris? >> how soon...
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policies led to fiscal cliff blowup. why are republicans all painted as obstructionists and democrats seem to go a free pass? mark han a says republicans are the ones to blame. hannah, what do you mean republicans are obstruction insists always? spending is the problem, is it not? >> no, look, we have a huge problem with revenue now. the revenue through taxes last year was as low as ever. right now we don't have the money -- hold on, sir, you can't throw a know like that and say as low as ever. revenues have been going up. >> in recent memory. >> for decades. >> president obama has presided over the lowest tax rate in mod hern history and decades. we're trying to role back taxes for people making over $250,000 a year. what john boehner is doing by letting us go off the fiscal cliff is raising every american's income taxes in about a week by not negotiating with the white house. he -- he's in a awkward position, he can't even get his own party to back his own republican proposals, so what we're seeing is congressmen and c
policies led to fiscal cliff blowup. why are republicans all painted as obstructionists and democrats seem to go a free pass? mark han a says republicans are the ones to blame. hannah, what do you mean republicans are obstruction insists always? spending is the problem, is it not? >> no, look, we have a huge problem with revenue now. the revenue through taxes last year was as low as ever. right now we don't have the money -- hold on, sir, you can't throw a know like that and say as low as...
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: right. >> -- if this whole fiscal cliff disaster happens. patti ann: now how was it spun this way? there's a lot more being negotiated than just those tax rates for wealthy people. what about the fact that we have the $16 trillion debt, and these plans hardly do anything to address it? why is that not the focus? >> yeah, they do almost nothing to address it. even if the president got what he wanted in taxes which is raising taxes on americans who make above $250,000 a year, i think it would be about $850 billion over the next ten years, it wouldn't even be one year's deficit. so there, i mean, there are a lot of other things involved. republicans have demanded real spending cuts, mostly spending cuts in the entitlement programs. and what we've seen in the past few weeks is as that has been discussed among democrats, there's been a hardening of opinion that they really do not want to make any cuts or any trims really in any of the big entitlement programs, medicare, medicaid and social security. patti ann: all right. well, byron york, that's
: right. >> -- if this whole fiscal cliff disaster happens. patti ann: now how was it spun this way? there's a lot more being negotiated than just those tax rates for wealthy people. what about the fact that we have the $16 trillion debt, and these plans hardly do anything to address it? why is that not the focus? >> yeah, they do almost nothing to address it. even if the president got what he wanted in taxes which is raising taxes on americans who make above $250,000 a year, i...
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republicans are saying they think the president actually wants to go off the fiscal cliff for political gain. take a listen. when i listen to the president i think the president is eager to go over the cliff for political purposes. additional tax revenue for new programs. he gets to cut the military which democrats have been calling for for years. and he gets to blame republicans for it. >> now, republicans are also skeptical of the short-term deal the president is talking about because it would leave spending cuts until next year. not deal with them now. republicans don't like the idea that some taxes would go up. meanwhile, the spends cuts wouldn't come until later. although democrats on the hill say the real reason republicans have not sealed the deal with the president yet is they just won't admit that he won the election. take a listen to senator chuck schumer. >> on taxes i know it's hard for the republicans but the president ran on that platform 250 no taxes below but taxes above. he won 60% of the voters said they were for it in the exit polls including some republicans. >> inde
republicans are saying they think the president actually wants to go off the fiscal cliff for political gain. take a listen. when i listen to the president i think the president is eager to go over the cliff for political purposes. additional tax revenue for new programs. he gets to cut the military which democrats have been calling for for years. and he gets to blame republicans for it. >> now, republicans are also skeptical of the short-term deal the president is talking about because...
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he passed it in the house or he will blame going over the fiscal cliff on the republicans if they resist. completely in the driver's seat and he will l decide what is on the table at december 31 at 11:00 at night. >> let's look at the national debt clock. we surpassed the $16 trillion mark. $16.4 trillion. interest on the debt is huge. thereon what bayh boy said recently. >> servicing the debt hard now. this is interest rates at record lows. god forbid something should happen to cause interest rates go up a littlement we have seen nothing yet. interest rates eventually will go up. >> doug: in the negotiations we are ignoring the long-term implications of this. >> people are aware of it. >> part of is it the future generations. the damage that it could do if the interest rate goes up in short-term to the economic interest. the market did not retake alarm we're going over the fiscal cliff. in days to come and the prospects for after the cliff is that the market would say this is alarming that washington can't get the act together. we have to deal with the debt ceiling. that could impact th
he passed it in the house or he will blame going over the fiscal cliff on the republicans if they resist. completely in the driver's seat and he will l decide what is on the table at december 31 at 11:00 at night. >> let's look at the national debt clock. we surpassed the $16 trillion mark. $16.4 trillion. interest on the debt is huge. thereon what bayh boy said recently. >> servicing the debt hard now. this is interest rates at record lows. god forbid something should happen to...
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goes on to tweet republican's fiscal cliff double think fiscal crisis demands cuts in service, no investment in jobs but allows more tax cuts for richest americans. if and when this comes up for votes in the house and senate, it's unclear how many democrats especially on the left will support this, or buck the president, basically. bret? >> bret: ed henry live in the white house. thank you. stocks started the week up. possibly encouraged early in the day about talk of this possible deal. the dow finished ahead 166. the s&p 500 was up 24. the nasdaq gained 59 another deal not fiscal cliff related. the senate home security committee blasted the state department for failures leading to the deadly september 11th attack on the u.s. mission in benghazi, libya. this comes on the heels of another scathing report by an independent state department accountability review board that we have covered many times. chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge has the latest senate report sites the white house for president obama inconsistent statements whether the benghazi assault was terrorist attack
goes on to tweet republican's fiscal cliff double think fiscal crisis demands cuts in service, no investment in jobs but allows more tax cuts for richest americans. if and when this comes up for votes in the house and senate, it's unclear how many democrats especially on the left will support this, or buck the president, basically. bret? >> bret: ed henry live in the white house. thank you. stocks started the week up. possibly encouraged early in the day about talk of this possible deal....
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some fiscal cliff that is going to cause some horrible calamity. they are worried that everybody's taxes are going to go up, and of course they are worried voters aren't going to be too happy about that. they worry about its effects on the economy. a lot of people on both sides of the aisle who are committed to their philosophical points of view think that it's better to let this thing go into january and february and try and workout a good deal from their point of view, than to rush something that they don't feel would be that great. and, again, part of that is they don't know that the world is going to come to an end in january when all these taxes go up. and without that fear it's harder to get a deal, when both sides have to give up so much that they are so emotionally attached tow. kelly: w to. kelly: we were talking toeho ise president. and the president would like to get back here. the president and speaker boehner have been negotiating to find a deal that both sides could agree to. the "wall street journal" reported the president threatened
some fiscal cliff that is going to cause some horrible calamity. they are worried that everybody's taxes are going to go up, and of course they are worried voters aren't going to be too happy about that. they worry about its effects on the economy. a lot of people on both sides of the aisle who are committed to their philosophical points of view think that it's better to let this thing go into january and february and try and workout a good deal from their point of view, than to rush something...
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not the fiscal cliff. that is debt ceiling debate we were talking about. he says give us a checkbook and taking a shot at republicans. that is different from the fiscal cliff. >> andrea: they are intertwined. not separate entities. i point out is the language he used. con plaited republicans holding their children hostage and murdering them. imagine if the republicans said that. you have don't hear about it. you hear about it here. >> kimberly: because we put it on fox news. i like to play a game called seal a new deal. go around the table. >> andrea: taken. >> kimberly: it has? >> andrea: yeah, sorry. >> kimberly: we play this and begin with you. let me know what you think. deal or no deal by the time of the deadline? >> no deal. meeting with the political theater. >> kimberly: andrea? >> andrea: no deal. >> kimberly: he doesn't want one. he is all for -- >> eric: there probably will be something early january. >> eric: it will be a bad deal. squishy republicans -- actually you are mad at everybody. mad at republicans and democrats. >> eric: lawmakers in
not the fiscal cliff. that is debt ceiling debate we were talking about. he says give us a checkbook and taking a shot at republicans. that is different from the fiscal cliff. >> andrea: they are intertwined. not separate entities. i point out is the language he used. con plaited republicans holding their children hostage and murdering them. imagine if the republicans said that. you have don't hear about it. you hear about it here. >> kimberly: because we put it on fox news. i like...
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now, the top story tonight, we are just days away going over the fiscal cliff. and the chance of a deal before the new year is slim. so now each side is pointing fingers instead of hammering out a deal. >> republicans aren't about to write a blank check for are anything senate democrats put forward just because we find ourselves at the edge of the cliff. >> any time the speaker and the republican leader come to the president and say we have got a deal for you, the president's door is always open and mine is, too. >> laura: and according to a brand new rasmussen poll, 44% think that republicans are more to blame for not going far enough on tax increases. 36% say that obama is more to blame for not agreeing to more spending cuts and 15% blame both sides. joining us now from new york, julie riganski, a democratic strategist and here in washington, steven moore, a member of the "wall street journal" editorial board. sesteven, let's start with you. great to hear harry reid on this. the last time i checked the do so called proposal that a he put forth in july didn't r
now, the top story tonight, we are just days away going over the fiscal cliff. and the chance of a deal before the new year is slim. so now each side is pointing fingers instead of hammering out a deal. >> republicans aren't about to write a blank check for are anything senate democrats put forward just because we find ourselves at the edge of the cliff. >> any time the speaker and the republican leader come to the president and say we have got a deal for you, the president's door...
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that's different from the fiscal cliff. >> well, they are intertwined. i mean, they are not separate entities and the issue here is the language that he used. he conflated republicans holding their own children hostage and then murdering them. imagine if a republican had said something like that. but you don't hear about it. you hear about it here -- >> because we put it here on fox news. i like to play the game deal or no deal -- >> taken. >> sorry. >> juliette, we are going to begin with you. >> okay. >> let me know what you think -- deal or no deal by the deadline? >> no deal like lindsay graham says. the meeting was political theater. >> andrea. >> no deal. he doesn't want one. [laughter] >> unfortunately, there probably will be something in early january -- >> with the parachute or not? >> it will be, whatever it is, it will be a bad deal for everybody. >> squishy republicans i. you are mad at republicans, you are mad at democrats. >> i am mad at lawmakers in d.c. -- >> i think you are going to say deal. >> i don't think there will be a deal before
that's different from the fiscal cliff. >> well, they are intertwined. i mean, they are not separate entities and the issue here is the language that he used. he conflated republicans holding their own children hostage and then murdering them. imagine if a republican had said something like that. but you don't hear about it. you hear about it here -- >> because we put it here on fox news. i like to play the game deal or no deal -- >> taken. >> sorry. >> juliette,...
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that's different from the fiscal cliff. >> well, they are intertwined. i mean, they are not separate entities and the issue here is the language that he used. he conflated republicans holding their own children hostage and then murdering them. imagine if a republican had said something like that. but you don't hear about it. you hear about it here -- >> because we put it here on fox news. i like to play the game deal or no deal -- >> taken. >> sorry. >> juliette, we are going to begin with you. >> okay. >> let me know what you think -- deal or no deal by the deadline? >> no deal like lindsay graham says. the meeting was political theater. >> andrea. >> no deal. he doesn't want one. [laughter] >> unfortunately, there probably will be something in early january -- >> with the parachute or not? >> it will be, whatever it is, it will be a bad deal for everybody. >> squishy republicans i. you are mad at republicans, you are mad at democrats. >> i am mad at lawmakers in d.c. -- >> i think you are going to say deal. >> i don't think there will be a deal before
that's different from the fiscal cliff. >> well, they are intertwined. i mean, they are not separate entities and the issue here is the language that he used. he conflated republicans holding their own children hostage and then murdering them. imagine if a republican had said something like that. but you don't hear about it. you hear about it here -- >> because we put it here on fox news. i like to play the game deal or no deal -- >> taken. >> sorry. >> juliette,...
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a senior democratic source saying the white house has a deal with republicans to avoid the fiscal cliff. a deal in the senate. however, there are still some questions about senate democrats which is why vice president biden s now and capitol hill we are told by sources to essentially get some of the liberal democrats to sign on to the deal avoiding the fiscal cliff. as you look live at the capitol dome, the light on top of the dome is lit because the congress s in session. but we haven't seen the piece of legislation move forward, the specifics. as you look live, vice president biden walked into the democratic caucus meeting there just beyond where the reporters are standing there by the microphones and said happy new year, happy new year, isn't it great that you all are here tonight. so what about this deal that is shaping up? the house will not be taking it up tonight. they have adjourned for the night and they will reconvene in 2013. actually you noon tomorrow the house will come back. essentially the u.s. will go over the fiscal cliff. but what about this deal that is shaping up and
a senior democratic source saying the white house has a deal with republicans to avoid the fiscal cliff. a deal in the senate. however, there are still some questions about senate democrats which is why vice president biden s now and capitol hill we are told by sources to essentially get some of the liberal democrats to sign on to the deal avoiding the fiscal cliff. as you look live at the capitol dome, the light on top of the dome is lit because the congress s in session. but we haven't seen...
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. >>> the big story today is the final four days to avoid the fiscal cliff. the last minute wrangling, the house in recess ready to come back to session sunday night to await a deal from the senate, which is in session. house republicans say they passed two bills already. on top of the fiscal cliff, there is the milk cliff, which could add to the weekly shopping bill in a big way. early next year, fight about raising the debt ceiling. after the scathing report on september 11 attack in benghazi, libbia, we thought that four mid-level government workers had taken the fall for the security failures at the state department. it turns out that is far from the case. we'll explain. it's been a year since the tornado flattened their church. but only now can the rebuilding begin. all because of red tape. grapevine, why being too attractive cost a woman her job. "special report" from washington starts at 6:00 p.m. eastern. now back to new york and "the five." ♪ ♪ >> welcome back to "the five." shop in saint paul has been warned to stop selling candy smokes with bub
. >>> the big story today is the final four days to avoid the fiscal cliff. the last minute wrangling, the house in recess ready to come back to session sunday night to await a deal from the senate, which is in session. house republicans say they passed two bills already. on top of the fiscal cliff, there is the milk cliff, which could add to the weekly shopping bill in a big way. early next year, fight about raising the debt ceiling. after the scathing report on september 11 attack in...
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he decided to put the onus on republicans saying that the fiscal cliff negotiations are up to them. gop leaders now say the president should stop playing the blame game. full details, coming up. the capital one cash rewards card gives ases, plus a 50% annual bonus. and everyone...but her likes 50% more cash. but i'm upping my game. do you want a candy cane? yes! do you want the puppy? yes! do you want a tricycle? yes! do you want 50 percent more cash? no! ♪ festive. [ male announcer ] the capital one cash rewards card gives you 1% cash back on every purchase plus a 50% annual bonus on the cash you earn. it's the card for people who like more cash. what's in your wallet? [ buzzing ] bye dad. drive safe. k. love you. [ chirping, buzzing continues ] [ horn honks ] [ buzzing continues ] [ male announcer ] the sprint drive first app. blocks and replies to texts while you drive. we can live without the &. visit sprint.com/drive. >> shannon: time for a look at some of the stories making headlines today. good news for former president george h.w. bush. a family spokesman says he is improv
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. >> gregg: congress is not only facing a fiscal cliff, it's up a dairy clarify, if you will. the current farm bill is set to expire on new year's day. if an extension of that is not passed, the farm policies would revert to laws back to 1949 and cost of milk, that could skyrocket. back then the government used a formula to calculate dairy prices that is much more expensive than it is today. one option said to be on the table is short term extension that would prevent milk prices from rising. >> arthel: to other stories. a judge ordering a psychiatric evaluation for a woman suspected of shoving a man off a new york public is way platform. he was arraigned last night on murder and hate crime. she confessed to pushing a man in front of a moving train telling them, i hindus and muslims. co-worker was was behind due. >> gregg: two missing boys from georgia have been found in texas an amber alert was issued, ages nine and seven when they didn't come back from a visit from their dad on wednesday. somebody recognized the trio and caught up with them in austin. now their father is fac
. >> gregg: congress is not only facing a fiscal cliff, it's up a dairy clarify, if you will. the current farm bill is set to expire on new year's day. if an extension of that is not passed, the farm policies would revert to laws back to 1949 and cost of milk, that could skyrocket. back then the government used a formula to calculate dairy prices that is much more expensive than it is today. one option said to be on the table is short term extension that would prevent milk prices from...
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the fiscal cliff is defense cuts and high taxes welcome to the republican party. >> rational people say that's not a good thing to do. i would hope that robert and sober behavior before new year's eve would land like an alien rocketship in washington and get these people to the table. >> greg: alice, you are sane, i believe. what do you make of this? the point i'm trying to make is why are the democrats scared of the fiscal cliff when it defines basically their ultimate dream? the democrats are anxious. they are embracing the fiscal cliff. we got obamaened a democrats in the conservative thunder bird ready to put the pedal to the metal on the fiscal cliff. they can raise taxes. they can cut military spending and they can blame the g.o.p. when the g.o.p. is doing the smart thing here wanted pointing the finger at the real problem, which is out of control spending. fixing this problem is not going to be easy but it's not complicated. we can't rely on raising taxes. we have to focus on cutting spending. that's what republicans are doing. even more so with geithner pointing out warning us o
the fiscal cliff is defense cuts and high taxes welcome to the republican party. >> rational people say that's not a good thing to do. i would hope that robert and sober behavior before new year's eve would land like an alien rocketship in washington and get these people to the table. >> greg: alice, you are sane, i believe. what do you make of this? the point i'm trying to make is why are the democrats scared of the fiscal cliff when it defines basically their ultimate dream? the...
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economists say we could go into another recession if the fiscal cliff is not dealt with. we just learned house republicans convened a conference call with members to say be on 48 hours notice to come back to washington in the next few days to deal with this one way or another. the senate coming back into session tomorrow morning 10:00 a.m. eastern time. the president on this red eye will be flying basically overnight tonight into tomorrow, get there early in the day and maybe convene congressional leaders at some point. interesting that starbucks, the coffee company, is running a row motion in d.c. stores where the they're writing come together on the coffee cup. right now, they're a bit far apart. >> i heard you talk about that 78-degree cold front that swept through the islands. before he headed out, how did the president celebrate christmas? >> yeah, it's been rough. you're right. 78 degrees is probably better than where you are right now, but the bottom line is that hawaii is always beautiful this time and the president started a tradition when he comes out here for c
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about the fiscal cliff and the markets out there again could be very, very harsh if there is no deal. so i don't know about christmas cheer but i think there are certain political realities that say there's got to be something done, even if it's a temporary patch that allows them to say we're going to have the big vote in terms of the cuts and tax hikes and reform, you know, in a few weeks. but they have got to do something in the short term or they're going to be dire consequences. i don't think that is any hyperbole, kelly, it is just the truth. kelly: just the truth. bottom line so i let you go, what is your next guess, deal or no deal? >> i think they get some kind of deal. it may pass the january 1st, december 31st deadline to get the house vote but i think you will see something done. kelly: maybe a pared down version but something will get done. kelly, have a happy holiday. >> you too, juan. jamie: the taliban is claiming responsibility for a homicide car bombing in khost. it is at the very same base where seven cia employees were killed three years ago by a jordanian homicide
about the fiscal cliff and the markets out there again could be very, very harsh if there is no deal. so i don't know about christmas cheer but i think there are certain political realities that say there's got to be something done, even if it's a temporary patch that allows them to say we're going to have the big vote in terms of the cuts and tax hikes and reform, you know, in a few weeks. but they have got to do something in the short term or they're going to be dire consequences. i don't...
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heather: what could finally bring democrats and republicans together on a fiscal cliff deal if anything. we'll take a look as we await word from capitol hill. >> this is what will go up year? >> yes. january 1st, that is when your taxes will go up. >> wow! wow!. wow is not wow. >> wow is wow! that is insane [ ship horn blows ] no, no, no! stop! humans. one day we're coming up with the theory of relativity, the next... not so much. but that's okay -- you're covered with...